tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post7672905148494075969..comments2024-03-27T19:47:13.475-07:00Comments on Dark Buzz: Claiming Poincare believed in true timeRogerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-82341206680493624632012-08-28T08:19:54.980-07:002012-08-28T08:19:54.980-07:00See my question here: http://physics.stackexchange...See my question here: http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/35090/why-did-einstein-get-credit-for-formulating-the-theory-of-special-relativityCraignoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-57453418089323686162012-08-28T08:05:34.082-07:002012-08-28T08:05:34.082-07:00In this blog and my book, I have tried to carefull...In this blog and my book, I have tried to carefully attribute which relativity ideas are due to Einstein, and which due to Lorentz, Poincare, and others.<br /><br />Yes, the Palermo paper was published after Einstein's 1905 paper, but it was submitted beforehand, and Poincare had many original ideas that were not present in Einstein's paper. So those ideas are unequivocally attributable to Poincare.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-52614916740573770712012-08-28T07:22:21.198-07:002012-08-28T07:22:21.198-07:00note of correction:
*nevertheless it is certainly ...note of correction:<br />*nevertheless it is certainly not a warranted nor reasonable measure.Casper Halseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-25752996834133651352012-08-28T07:20:35.472-07:002012-08-28T07:20:35.472-07:00Looking at the discussion, you previously said tha...Looking at the discussion, you previously said that there were no ether/privileged medium purported by Poincaré. Now, you are arguing that the conceptualization is independant of that as we can shoe-horn in most musings of Poincaré to not only apply but to have directly intended and predicted other ideas in more modern theories. Expectedly, this is a necessary manuveour if we're going to credit Poincaré with "all of it" and zero to Einstein, nevertheless it is certainly a warranted measure. He (Poincaré) had priority on a lot of aspects that would define Special Relativity, allthough most of his conceptualization were fuzzy due to his appeal for conventionalism unlike Einstein, and... his Palermo paper of 1905 came out after Einstein's. The shorter precursor came a bit before Einstein's, yes, still his notable work was in the one which came two weeks after Einstein. In terms of SR, it favoured the kinematical physics of Einstein over conventionalism and dynamic explanations of Poincaré. All in all the issue of contribution to the body of SR goes, chiefly, to Lorentz and Poincaré, with Einstein making a small yet in its part significant deliverence. Einstein's main feat though, in this context, would be the work he did on General Relativity.Casper Halseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-24645587501985867482012-08-27T16:27:15.897-07:002012-08-27T16:27:15.897-07:00If you have some specific disagreement with my int...If you have some specific disagreement with my interpretation of Poincare or Einstein, go ahead and post it. I just follow what they said. Poincare's work was understood by some people at the time, even if most people misunderstood it.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-49720623541220686082012-08-27T15:39:13.450-07:002012-08-27T15:39:13.450-07:00It seems to me that what you're doing is reint...It seems to me that what you're doing is reinterpreting Poincarés work 'then' through a strong hindsight bias of what you yourself can extrapolate it to have ment 'today'. That excercise is easy, especially with someone like Poincaré who considered almost everything of being a convention and said a "maybe" and "possibly" to pretty much any future conclusion. As it is, or were rather, it missed out on some vital and badly needed, decisive, steps and clarifications. You're extremely generous with your "filling in the blanks"-hindsight of Poincaré, while having the exact reversed attitude toward Einstein's work. And... perspectives like that enlight us more about your emotional bias and bone to pick as oppposed to a clear and balanced recognition of the science as presented. Casper Halseynoreply@blogger.com