tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post1142889564048892535..comments2024-03-18T10:15:25.269-07:00Comments on Dark Buzz: What is probability?Rogerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-5821712387058723072019-01-03T22:57:39.884-08:002019-01-03T22:57:39.884-08:00When you strike a bell with a hammer, energy in th...When you strike a bell with a hammer, energy in the form of sound, and heat (and most likely some of the metal particles)radiate out in all directions, yet in a pattern which is influenced by the crystalline structure of the metal on an atomic level, there IS discrete moving structure to atoms, it isn't a Rutherford glommed monkey bread ball with orbiting satellite electrons, or clouds of probability or whatever. If we are uncertain of the very structure of the atoms, no wonder our understanding of what happens when they are pinged with photons is so ridiculous. I would be very curious of the geometry of detections by light sensors placed around the test slits, and see exactly what pattern emerges when more photons are detected outside as well behind the slits from the origin point of the wave pattern. Think rationally first, resort to causeless miracles only when you have exhausted curiosity and are ready to go to heaven. <br /><br /> There are no paradoxes in actuality. A paradox is a logical error of valid syntax, you can easily construct a valid sentence that is not logically true ('zeus can do anything, he can create a rock so heavy he can't pick it up', 'The next sentence is true. The previous sentence is false', there is only incomplete understanding and/or faulty reasoning. CFTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-3966818589678109922019-01-03T22:52:40.881-08:002019-01-03T22:52:40.881-08:00blah blah blah, it's not a particle, it's ...blah blah blah, it's not a particle, it's a WAVE...this solves the dilemma, yadda yadda yadda. Calling something you don't understand something else you can't understand does not solve the problem. We know there are particles, we know they do actually act classically in some cases... and yet not in others. This does not logically mean they are not particles, it means the picture is incomplete and that you are forcing a square peg into an ill-defined round hole and calling it a perfect match. Well... it isn't.<br /><br /><br />Roger, <br />pray tell, what is your wave composed of? Math? ALL energy has form, mass, and some sort of structure as it must or it isn't energy, it never can become a pure numerical abstraction like a amplitude without a cause. You have just cheerfully proposed an unassigned amplitude to the void that can somehow interact with matter. That's it. ALL WAVES are a product of something else moving in aggregate. Water has 'wave like' properties, Air has 'wave like' properties, hell, solid matter like metal or the ground (as in seismic) has wave like properties, YET, They are not composed of 'wave like' abstraction floating in the void, They are all an expressed pattern of aggregate behavior of something else moving through a pattern of particles.<br /><br /> The double slit experiment is rife with gross assumptions about what is going on and how things are physically considered and depicted. The particles (or waves if you wish to insist) are treated as one kind of nearly intangible thing, and the slit itself and the sensor are treated as continuous solid matter, but at the scale they are interacting, which requires some kind of interaction of mass, there is no continuous solid matter, it's just loosely bound moving particles at that level.<br /><br /> If I fire one single photon (and I'm only assuming a single photon can actually be fired...it's actually very unclear on this point as there is admission that when a single photon is purportedly detected, many other things happen in a cascade, not just one, which I suppose is like throwing an apple at an apple tree, you might have initially thrown one apple, but several more might get shaken loose or go flying, depending on how hard you threw it and where it collides with the structure of the tree, did it just graze one apple or several, did it just hit the trunk? In any case, if I throw one apple at the apple tree and two apples go flying out, I do not say my apple has multiplied. Which goes to the root of the problem with the double slit detections, you get the wave like pattern only when there is more than one slit, which indicates something else is going on in how the structure of the slit itself is interacting with the energy, it has to be, else why is it emitting? It can't be that photons with a set level of energy is now miraculously multiplying, that abandons all conservation of mass and energy. If I throw one photon and yet get the energy required for two impacts... unless you can explain where the additional mass came from, and it wasn't pulled from math or from the void or ether, then you have an accounting problem that needs to be solved, not a paradox to be foisted up as an explanation, like the ridiculous wave/particle malarky. At best, It's one OR (not inclusive) the other, or you have the wrong model being used entirely. <br /><br /> CFTnoreply@blogger.com