tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post8336969405518730976..comments2024-03-27T19:47:13.475-07:00Comments on Dark Buzz: Brain entropy said to explain consciousnessRogerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-84067349377833555992016-10-23T18:55:41.369-07:002016-10-23T18:55:41.369-07:00Thanks Roger. This is fascinating stuff, both in i...Thanks Roger. This is fascinating stuff, both in itself, and through suggested connections of consciousness with quantum mechanics. <br /><br />These include von Neumann's consciousness instigated wave function collapse, and more recently Many Minds and perhaps more pkasibly Roger Penrose's suggestion in his The Emperor's New Mind that because of quantum mechanics mental processes must be essentially nondeterministic.<br /><br />Von Neumann's proposal relied in part on the notion (fashionable in his day) of Psychophysical parallelism which held that mental and brain processes may be correlated but are not necessarily causally connected. <br /><br />The studies reported in Physics World seem consistent with the contrary view that consciousness is emergent from underlying physiological processes.<br /><br />Presumably there are not many out there who subscribe to the von Neumann view, or Many Minds, but Penrose seems to have a following.Dan Shanahanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11240342697478880476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-85834918905306108712016-10-23T06:52:58.987-07:002016-10-23T06:52:58.987-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11871342825814023896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-4705042521736928742016-10-23T06:52:45.841-07:002016-10-23T06:52:45.841-07:00We do not know what is consciousness. How to defi...We do not know what is consciousness. How to define it? But at the same time it is possible to imagine intelligence w/o self awareness. The question arises what consciousness is for? What evolutionary role does it play?Peterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11871342825814023896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-75139148805287601062016-10-23T00:36:57.424-07:002016-10-23T00:36:57.424-07:00Anonymous,
No, consciousness is not necessary... ...Anonymous, <br />No, consciousness is not necessary... if you are a rock or any other inanimate object that exists without self awareness. You yourself can become an inanimate object yourself once you die. I am getting pretty sick of stupid articles using complexity or 'emergent property' to explain anything. That's like saying cars work because they are 'complex', or that they move by 'emergent properties', which is basically a 'complex' way of an overeducated idiot saying 'I really don't know how it works.' Using the word 'entropy' in conjunction with 'consciousness' was probably done to get the bullshit paper published. <br /><br /> Saying that something "could simply be an "emergent property" of a system " when you have no idea how that 'system' actually works is utterly pathetic as an explanation, and is not science. I have a better theory, some jaded researchers wanted research grant money to prove that people are actually not really 'alive' at all, but delusional globs of cells clinging to the illusion of self awareness.<br /><br /> I think it would cut to the chase to just say that overeducated nihilists trying to prove heat death is the cause of an illusion of self awareness is pure pathos...and yet somehow hilarious at the same time.<br /><br /> CFTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-67114969400457056172016-10-22T13:31:54.527-07:002016-10-22T13:31:54.527-07:00Is consciousness necessary? Does it appear at som...Is consciousness necessary? Does it appear at some level of intelligence and complexity? or is it possible to replicate human intelligence w/o consciousness? What is evolutionary advantage of consciousness? Perhaps consciousness is spandrel type of phenomenon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com