tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post4567557551831343897..comments2024-03-27T19:47:13.475-07:00Comments on Dark Buzz: Mermin taking Bohr seriouslyRogerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-58457949335956021652014-01-03T19:21:48.783-08:002014-01-03T19:21:48.783-08:00I say that Bohr won the debates because all of th...I say that Bohr won the debates because all of the QM textbooks teach the Copenhagen interpretation, and dismiss Einstein as a misguided skeptic.Rogerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474078324293158376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8148573551417578681.post-29629142140432276152014-01-03T15:15:11.850-08:002014-01-03T15:15:11.850-08:00@Roger,
I enjoy your blog, but seriously, your dis...@Roger,<br />I enjoy your blog, but seriously, your dislike of Einstein does strange things to your reasoning. <br />Bohr did not really 'win' the debates with Einstein, Bohr was declared a winner by some, more as a function of popular following (not logical reasoning) rather than argument (he didn't really have much argument). As for why so many find QM nonsensical, it is because it is nonsensical. Bohr said so. So did Feynman. They said so and took pride in bragging about how absurd and illogical nature was (Read Feynman's QED, he says this several times). You should not pride yourself however in subscribing to a nonsensical probabilistic explanation where physics is concerned, as it does nothing for advancing actual understanding, it only advances very complicated fudged math that to this day offers no insight into any actual underlying 'mechanics' of what is going on at the quantum level. I will put my own bias out front: matter and energy have physical extension and does not turn into self causing (a priori) math even at the sub-atomic, quantum or Planck level, that's called magic or Platonism and isn't science. QM is a hodge podge of heuristic math trying to make sense of experiment without any physical mechanism or underpinnings whatsoever. It is actually no different than describing dice with probability, you have a heuristic calculation which tells you nothing about how the results are generated except by imagining probabilistic math calculations acting as 'a priori' physical causes. Logically, math is not a physical cause, it can describe something, but not be the cause of it, which is why you need good logical and mechanical theory to position your math around. If you want to understand how you got the result from a pair of rolled dice, you have to understand how the dice are shaped, how they move and interact with each other and the surface they are rolling on (much less explain their size, weight, gravity and atmosphere under which they operate). You can't get such an answer from probabilistic reduction ad absurdum, any more than you can tell an individual test score from a school wide class average. <br />The problem with QM is that the wave model being used is wrong. You are trying to describe a cycle of physical movement of an actual thing with not enough degrees of freedom. Considering that actual particles do not exist in two dimensional planes (they never have, and nothing physical does), physicists should start trying to study particles as they move through three dimensional space, and maybe notice those particles definitely spin, and are moving about in directions their two dimensional models are pretty inadequate at describing without being nonsensical. If you want physical clues, look at your picture below of the Bubble Chamber tracks. The reason you get those spirals is because the particles are spinning at the moment of collision (play with a top sometime and watch what happens when it loses spin) they aren't just extension-less mathematical points in a non physical math matrix. <br />Once again, I enjoy your blog, but please, don't put down Einstein in relation to Bohr. Bohr was by far the greater phony and has done the most damage to actual scientific understanding. C.Takacsnoreply@blogger.com